Sound maximizer

Post: # 13490Post **Audiofiligram** Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:39 pm

Hi Trolls ,

I was thinking about using a Sound maximizer Plug in From Universal Audio
to get more Loudness on Tracks , this tool give you the possibility to get
higher perceived loudness without influencing Dynamic Range of the Audio Material . The Plug ins adds harmonics to the original Signal , Specially
for high Frequencies it could be a Problem ? What do you think about it ?

Has somebody some experience ?

I´m using The VC 2000 Amp & SC 99 Cutterhead .

Thanx

Post: # 13492Post **gengy** Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:07 pm

hi!
in my opinion any exiter could be a dangerous tool in cutting because if the source is not good (eq-dynamic,ecc) this effect may worsen the situation.

for high level cutting the exiter or harmonic effects are not the trick!

cheers

Post: # 13493Post **opcode66** Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:25 pm

Got to watch out when exciting the high end frequencies. That is how cutterheads get smoked. Most cutterheads have their resonant frequency in the high end... And, they do tend to naturally emphasize the high end.

A lot of people do banded compression and maximization. I would just be careful about the higher frequency bands.

You can also use stereo expansion to get more perceived volume.

Post: # 13494Post **JayDC** Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:27 pm

i would look into a multi-band compressor and limiter.. I use a good one by yamaha called final master was like 99 bucks or something.. I dunno if you can still get it though.. I love it,and everything i make runs through it.

Post: # 13495Post **Audiofiligram** Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:27 pm

I heard limiting is not so good because this Processing
adds lot of high Frequences to the Audio Material,
that would mean more current to the cutterhead ,
Is it true ? what do you think ?

Post: # 13496Post **dietrich10** Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:25 pm

You are better off with a chain of processing. An EQ, compressor/limiter and could incorporate a maximizer type plug or process if you can also EQ unwanted and dangerous frequencies out.
CONTROL and options are key. every track is different

Post: # 13497Post **JayDC** Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:13 pm

in my cutting chain i use 6 primary plugins..

I use a desser
then an EQ (which is set up with my tones)
RIAA
Another EQ I use to control my sound
high pass at 30hz lowpass at 10K
and a limiter to catch any overly loud hits

thats what goes to the cutter

now in my mastering chain for when i write/mix music

Desser
EQ
Final master
Limiter

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Post: # 13510Post **Audiofiligram** Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:40 pm

Thanks for The Input Trolls ...
Certainly the best thing to do would be to plug a Spectrometer between
amps an Cutterhead to control The Frquencies ....

Post: # 13512Post **opcode66** Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:38 pm

I use both frequency analysis and spectral analysis to insure that the energy is in the frequency ranges I want.

Post: # 13514Post **dietrich10** Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:46 pm

Ears still beat looking at frequencies.
I've seen guys push certain ranges just 'because' when no need for it. like a habit

Post: # 13515Post **opcode66** Sat Mar 19, 2011 5:11 pm

Duh... My ears are always the judge and jury. Naturally.

Post: # 13516Post **Angus McCarthy** Sat Mar 19, 2011 5:39 pm

Audiofiligram wrote:Thanks for The Input Trolls ...
Certainly the best thing to do would be to plug a Spectrometer between
amps an Cutterhead to control The Frquencies ....

Probably not between. You want to keep that connection as clean as possible, you know. Somebody mentioned elsewhere on here about using the monitor output to drive a Spectrometer.

Post: # 13519Post **dietrich10** Sat Mar 19, 2011 5:47 pm

opcode66 wrote:Duh... My ears are always the judge and jury. Naturally.

but you just said above you use the analyzers to check the 'energy'

Post: # 13520Post **opcode66** Sat Mar 19, 2011 6:14 pm

visual inspection != final determination

just one of many things I use to make good cuts...

i am a musician at heart though. so, my ear is what i rely on no matter what.

Post: # 13528Post **Audiofiligram** Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:34 pm

Angus McCarthy wrote:
Audiofiligram wrote:Thanks for The Input Trolls ...
Certainly the best thing to do would be to plug a Spectrometer between
amps an Cutterhead to control The Frquencies ....
Probably not between. You want to keep that connection as clean as possible, you know. Somebody mentioned elsewhere on here about using the monitor output to drive a Spectrometer.

I got the possibility to get the signal from the Cutterhead called
Feedback Output (There is an output on teh Amp)

Post: # 15398Post **Audiofiligram** Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:51 am

Anibody have suggestion For Spectrum Analyzer Software ?

Post: # 15401Post **opcode66** Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:11 pm

SpectraFoo

Post: # 15411Post **Nickou** Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:04 am

opcode66 wrote: Most cutterheads have their resonant frequency in the high end... And, they do tend to naturally emphasize the high end.

really ?

Post: # 15425Post **opcode66** Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:32 pm

1K is the resonant frequency of the SX74. With the SAL rack's RIAA pre-emphasis that starts at 1K and goes up as the freqeuncy increases. Yes, really. The highs get excited by this system. A number of older mono cutterheads had a resonant frequency that was higher than 1K. Read your AES anthology.

Post: # 15432Post **leo gonzalez** Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:18 pm

opcode66 wrote:1K is the resonant frequency of the SX74. With the SAL rack's RIAA pre-emphasis that starts at 1K and goes up as the freqeuncy increases. Yes, really. The highs get excited by this system. A number of older mono cutterheads had a resonant frequency that was higher than 1K. Read your AES anthology.

I get excited when i read your posts, but not exactly in a positive way.

there was no reason to bring "resonant frequencies" into this topic. but of course you had to because you seem to love mixing up things all the time.

You are mixing up resonant freqs with the riaa in a very funny way which could be very misleading.

please stop posting like this.