Digital Delay for VMS70 - Gauging Interest

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Digital Delay for VMS70 - Gauging Interest

Unread postby adamgonsa » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:18 pm

Hi Everyone,

If you use a VMS70 and would like a digital delay made with cutting in mind please let me know. Another batch of the Shea Ako delays could be made but only if there is enough demand. The delay is a simple 1U box with a 33/45 selection switch on the front panel. It splits an incoming AES signal so you can send a straight signal to preview and a delayed signal to mod. There's no internal conversion and it works up to 96k. Using a delay allows you to work through an analog chain without needing 4 channel gear. The delay is currently used by Chicago Mastering Service and Bonati Mastering,

I think the price would be around $2200.

If you're interested please reply in the thread or PM me.
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Re: Digital Delay for VMS70 - Gauging Interest

Unread postby dietrich10 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:44 am

If he does make more it should really do 192
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Re: Digital Delay for VMS70 - Gauging Interest

Unread postby adamgonsa » Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:29 pm

dietrich10 wrote:If he does make more it should really do 192
I think these are as-is rebuilds from the original boards so 96k would be the max sample rate. I'll double check that though.
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Re: Digital Delay for VMS70 - Gauging Interest

Unread postby Greg Reierson » Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:16 pm

96k is already overkill. Since you use your own converters you can find the most transparent set at 96k. I don't think anyone will ever be able to hear the difference between a 96k and 192k digital pass on playback.
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Re: Digital Delay for VMS70 - Gauging Interest

Unread postby dietrich10 » Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:03 am

I never do cut above 96 but was thinking long term.
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Re: Digital Delay for VMS70 - Gauging Interest

Unread postby audiocarver » Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:11 pm

If anything to make your list of interested parties bigger, put me down for one too. :)
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Re: Digital Delay for VMS70 - Gauging Interest

Unread postby jjgolden » Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:32 pm

The Ako delay I have goes up to 192k.
Bought in 2011-ish

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Re: Digital Delay for VMS70 - Gauging Interest

Unread postby adamgonsa » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:00 pm

jjgolden wrote:The Ako delay I have goes up to 192k.
Bought in 2011-ish

JJG
OK, if the existing boards do 192k then that's what we'd be getting. Thanks for clarifying JJ.
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Re: Digital Delay for VMS70 - Gauging Interest

Unread postby concretecowboy71 » Tue Feb 16, 2016 4:31 pm

Why not just set the delay up in your DAW? It takes almost no time and eliminates a piece of gear. I have clients who demand 192k on a regular basis. Whether you hear the difference or not, I am not going to tell them no. Also, this set was cut at 192k and it sounds pretty amazing.

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Re: Digital Delay for VMS70 - Gauging Interest

Unread postby gold » Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:56 pm

concretecowboy71 wrote:Why not just set the delay up in your DAW?


Because they want to be able to cut live through their two channel analog chain.
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Re: Digital Delay for VMS70 - Gauging Interest

Unread postby jjgolden » Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:44 pm

Adam,
Have you talked to Shae?
How many orders does he need to make it happen?

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Re: Digital Delay for VMS70 - Gauging Interest

Unread postby Stevie342000 » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:25 am

What are the delay times for all cutting speeds i.e. 16 2/3, 33 1/3, 22.5, 39, 45 and 78 rpm I have included the half speeds for all 3 standard speeds I am curious as to what the delay times would be if you were using analogue or digital techniques.

I assume the time will remain constant in either domain? Plus you would need to move the turnover/crossover point of the Inverse RIAA equalisation for half speed cutting.
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Re: Digital Delay for VMS70 - Gauging Interest

Unread postby concretecowboy71 » Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:07 pm

How does the box accomplish the delay if it is not converting the signal to digital?

Just curious.
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Re: Digital Delay for VMS70 - Gauging Interest

Unread postby jjgolden » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:25 pm

It's designed to work from an AES input. (no analog inputs)
The unit has 1 AES input and 2 AES outputs.
O/P 1 is straight and O/P 2 is delayed for either 33.3 or 45 via a switch.
You take the AES outputs and feed them to your D/A converter(s) of choice, which feeds program and preview.

Yes, if you are doing all processing in the box, it's not needed.
For those playing audio from the DAW & using outboard digital or analog gear for processing it's really great.
Yes, if you are processing analog, then you need to get back to digital first before the AKO delay.


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Re: Digital Delay for VMS70 - Gauging Interest

Unread postby mischmerz » Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:26 am

This may sound really, really well ... crazy .. but why would one convert an analog signal to digital only to cut it back onto an analog medium? If it comes out of a DAW - well, that's one thing. But if it comes from tape - well, it's just not analog anymore once you feed it through a digital delay. Might as well burn it on an SACD .

Just my two cents.

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Re: Digital Delay for VMS70 - Gauging Interest

Unread postby Stevie342000 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 4:40 am

mischmerz wrote:This may sound really, really well ... crazy .. but why would one convert an analog signal to digital only to cut it back onto an analog medium? If it comes out of a DAW - well, that's one thing. But if it comes from tape - well, it's just not analog anymore once you feed it through a digital delay. Might as well burn it on an SACD .

Just my two cents.

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if that is a reference to what I asked i only wished to know what the delay times were that are required for each speed.
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Re: Digital Delay for VMS70 - Gauging Interest

Unread postby audiocarver » Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:49 am

I don't know, this is starting to seem like a nice item to have that may not become reality again. Like trying to find a new preview tape deck with 1/4" or 1/2" interchangeable head stacks.

As interested as I am in this, since I'm still cutting from an analog console and working OTB, I'm afraid most people are cutting from DAW now instead.
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Re: Digital Delay for VMS70 - Gauging Interest

Unread postby concretecowboy71 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:26 pm

audiocarver wrote:I don't know, this is starting to seem like a nice item to have that may not become reality again. Like trying to find a new preview tape deck with 1/4" or 1/2" interchangeable head stacks.

As interested as I am in this, since I'm still cutting from an analog console and working OTB, I'm afraid most people are cutting from DAW now instead.


Well, there is nothing to be afraid of. I guess it depends on what your business model is. We have the ability to cut both ways, but the overwhelming demand is for digital cutting. Even high end, historic restoration project are being cut from high resolution restored files taken directly from master tapes.

So this piece of gear would then allow you to buy only one chain of signal processing instead of having multiple units of each piece of gear. That is a pretty darn good idea the more I think about it.
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Re: Digital Delay for VMS70 - Gauging Interest

Unread postby adamgonsa » Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:15 pm

Most people are cutting from DAWs. As Clint said though, there really isn't anything to be scared of. Having it as an option will allow you to get more use out of your chain.
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Re: Digital Delay for VMS70 - Gauging Interest

Unread postby Bonati » Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:17 am

I own an AKO delay. I love it. Couldn't have asked for a more well-designed box.
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