Label Problem
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Label Problem
Hello to all members,
let me introduce quickly: Ma Name is Hannes, we founded this year our Company AUSTROVINYL from Zero. Cutting, electro-plating, pressing -->having all in "one house" is the goal!
Now we're proud owners of a brand new Pheenix Alpha press and we started testpressing 3 weeks ago.
more pics etc.. http://www.facebook.com/austrovinyl http://www.austrovinyl.at
Here is the Problem:
Eventhough we dry the labels for hours in a laboratory oven with 85 degrees, the color of the labels sticks on the stampers! (..it takes me allways 20 minutes to clean them.. )
Pressing with White Labels is no Problem at all.. -nice, smooth results!
We tried labels from a different printing company aswell, -same problem!
I'm very thankful for every tip and trick from you guys!!
P.S.: This forum is great, I love it!
let me introduce quickly: Ma Name is Hannes, we founded this year our Company AUSTROVINYL from Zero. Cutting, electro-plating, pressing -->having all in "one house" is the goal!
Now we're proud owners of a brand new Pheenix Alpha press and we started testpressing 3 weeks ago.
more pics etc.. http://www.facebook.com/austrovinyl http://www.austrovinyl.at
Here is the Problem:
Eventhough we dry the labels for hours in a laboratory oven with 85 degrees, the color of the labels sticks on the stampers! (..it takes me allways 20 minutes to clean them.. )
Pressing with White Labels is no Problem at all.. -nice, smooth results!
We tried labels from a different printing company aswell, -same problem!
I'm very thankful for every tip and trick from you guys!!
P.S.: This forum is great, I love it!
>>We press YOUR music<<
http://www.austrovinyl.at
https://www.facebook.com/austrovinyl/
Instagram #austrovinyl
http://www.austrovinyl.at
https://www.facebook.com/austrovinyl/
Instagram #austrovinyl
Re: Label Problem
hallo hannes,
ich kann mich erinnern, dass der andyb schon mal das gleiche problem hatte.
ich glaub fast dass du mit der such hier was findest...
lg mex
ps: meld dich mal bei uns!
ich kann mich erinnern, dass der andyb schon mal das gleiche problem hatte.
ich glaub fast dass du mit der such hier was findest...
lg mex
ps: meld dich mal bei uns!
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Re: Label Problem
Try this.....
Matte Art Paper 120gsm.
Standard offset ink (rubber based).
Do not use glossy paper.
Avoid metallic colours or you will have the same problem.
Matte Art Paper 120gsm.
Standard offset ink (rubber based).
Do not use glossy paper.
Avoid metallic colours or you will have the same problem.
Re: Label Problem
Thanks AussieOzborn for your detailed answer!!
@drdub: hab schon gesucht..
@drdub: hab schon gesucht..
>>We press YOUR music<<
http://www.austrovinyl.at
https://www.facebook.com/austrovinyl/
Instagram #austrovinyl
http://www.austrovinyl.at
https://www.facebook.com/austrovinyl/
Instagram #austrovinyl
Re: Label Problem
Hello and welcome.
Do you perform a correct sanding of the stampers center?
Cordially.
Do you perform a correct sanding of the stampers center?
Cordially.
Best regards.
David
Cutting & Galvanoforming
https://www.facebook.com/galvanoforming
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David
Cutting & Galvanoforming
https://www.facebook.com/galvanoforming
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYoOS53WYfPDZnIIFdRFpaw
Re: Label Problem
Problem solved!
Thanks to a good friend of mine!
He is an engineer in the woods-industries, so he knows about drying wood (paper) and it's behaviour..
We experimented a little.. voilà!
It's always good to have friends in all kind of businesses
Thanks to a good friend of mine!
He is an engineer in the woods-industries, so he knows about drying wood (paper) and it's behaviour..
We experimented a little.. voilà!
It's always good to have friends in all kind of businesses
>>We press YOUR music<<
http://www.austrovinyl.at
https://www.facebook.com/austrovinyl/
Instagram #austrovinyl
http://www.austrovinyl.at
https://www.facebook.com/austrovinyl/
Instagram #austrovinyl
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Re: Label Problem
How about sharing the solution?
It's good to ask for help here but sometimes you need to contribute as well.
It's good to ask for help here but sometimes you need to contribute as well.
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Re: Label Problem
What Aussie said.. would you mind sharing the solution here?
Re: Label Problem
Hi there,
Because there is no response from the topic starter, i’m willing to give some clarification.
We are also running on the Pheenix Alpha AD12 and have a labratory oven. In the first days that we started we also had some problems with ‘sticking’ labels, but we solved it quite quick. In my opinion 85 degrees is a little bit on the low side of temprature.
Our settings:
Whitelabels: 20 minutes on 115 degrees.
FC/1C/Black labels: At leest 3,5 hours on 115 degrees.
You can speed up the whole procedure by increasing the temptrature, but in my opinion its not good for the desired quality of the labels/colours. Try to work with a (safe) timer so that you dont loose energy and that the labels are ready to be pressed when begin your first run. You can also blow between the labels with a air gun so that you are sure that every label is devided and dry enough.
Cheers and have a good week,
Thomas
Because there is no response from the topic starter, i’m willing to give some clarification.
We are also running on the Pheenix Alpha AD12 and have a labratory oven. In the first days that we started we also had some problems with ‘sticking’ labels, but we solved it quite quick. In my opinion 85 degrees is a little bit on the low side of temprature.
Our settings:
Whitelabels: 20 minutes on 115 degrees.
FC/1C/Black labels: At leest 3,5 hours on 115 degrees.
You can speed up the whole procedure by increasing the temptrature, but in my opinion its not good for the desired quality of the labels/colours. Try to work with a (safe) timer so that you dont loose energy and that the labels are ready to be pressed when begin your first run. You can also blow between the labels with a air gun so that you are sure that every label is devided and dry enough.
Cheers and have a good week,
Thomas
Re: Label Problem
as we have different measurments of temperatur, I think, you are talking about celsius!
Re: Label Problem
Oof, my bad. You are right Andy, i mean celcius
Greetings,
Thomas
Greetings,
Thomas
Re: Label Problem
Hi guys, sorry about my "not replying" -busy as allways!
Back to the topic:
As I wrote before, a friend of mine helped me researching on this topic.
As an engineer in the wood/paper industries he has a lot of knowledge.
We used a very, very fine balance to measure the humitity in the paper. Heaaah???
Well, we took a stack of Labels on the balance and masured the weight.
Then we but them into our Laboratory oven and let them dry for one hour.
Then we measured the weight again and but them back into the oven for an other hour to dry, and so on..
After a couple of rounds drying and masureing (and beer) we could see how the weight got less and less until there was no difference at all, till round 5 and 6.
If you would draw it in a diagramm, the curve got flatter and flatter until it was flattened out.
So we knew the paper is dry after 5 hours in the oven, using 110 degrees celsius.
After a year of experience, I dry the Labels minimum 4 hours (white/black-white) or 6 hours (colored labels) with 110 degrees.
Mostly I but them into the oven over night with 100 degrees celsius, -then they are perfectly dry!
Then I pack them into airthight bags and let them cool down to room temperature(!) and store them into airthight plastic boxes.
While pressing, I use an Exsiccator and take only a very small stack of Labels (a half a centimeter max.)
That's about it
With regards
Hannes
Back to the topic:
As I wrote before, a friend of mine helped me researching on this topic.
As an engineer in the wood/paper industries he has a lot of knowledge.
We used a very, very fine balance to measure the humitity in the paper. Heaaah???
Well, we took a stack of Labels on the balance and masured the weight.
Then we but them into our Laboratory oven and let them dry for one hour.
Then we measured the weight again and but them back into the oven for an other hour to dry, and so on..
After a couple of rounds drying and masureing (and beer) we could see how the weight got less and less until there was no difference at all, till round 5 and 6.
If you would draw it in a diagramm, the curve got flatter and flatter until it was flattened out.
So we knew the paper is dry after 5 hours in the oven, using 110 degrees celsius.
After a year of experience, I dry the Labels minimum 4 hours (white/black-white) or 6 hours (colored labels) with 110 degrees.
Mostly I but them into the oven over night with 100 degrees celsius, -then they are perfectly dry!
Then I pack them into airthight bags and let them cool down to room temperature(!) and store them into airthight plastic boxes.
While pressing, I use an Exsiccator and take only a very small stack of Labels (a half a centimeter max.)
That's about it
With regards
Hannes
>>We press YOUR music<<
http://www.austrovinyl.at
https://www.facebook.com/austrovinyl/
Instagram #austrovinyl
http://www.austrovinyl.at
https://www.facebook.com/austrovinyl/
Instagram #austrovinyl
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Re: Label Problem
Your drying time is too long. Best results: 1 hour @ 160-165° Celsius.
The EMI instruction manuals include two books on label problems:
The EMI instruction manuals include two books on label problems:
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Re: Label Problem
That looks like a great book.
Offcourse you probably cant get a hold of one nowadays?
Offcourse you probably cant get a hold of one nowadays?
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Yes, you couldn't even get hold of it in the old days. Strictly an internal document.